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Post by Admin75 on Jul 19, 2012 21:24:29 GMT -6
So, a lot of discussion on last night's show about Penn State and the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Split opinions on the issue going forward:
1 opinion is that Penn State should be given the death penalty and/or be booted from the Big 10.
A second opinion is that the guilty parties are no longer at the University and, therefore, those that are left should not be punished.
A third opinion is that some other sanctions should be levied.
What is your opinion?
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Post by sportsworx64 on Jul 20, 2012 9:18:35 GMT -6
for such horrible crimes to be enabled and on university premises, I would personally have the school shut down all-together if possible, not just the football program.
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Post by apollo on Jul 20, 2012 10:58:01 GMT -6
Big Ten should vote them out that would send the right message.
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Post by richsapper on Jul 21, 2012 9:22:57 GMT -6
Here is the problem I have with throwing the ENTIRE University under the bus. No one that was involved is there. Sandusky is in jail where he should be. Paterno, who should have done more, is dead. The administrators have been fired or resigned, or will be "pending investigation". As the father of tewo boys this makes me absolutely sick that Sandusky would have betrayed the trust this kids had in him to do what he did. He is in jail where he should be, and hopefully is headed to hell when he dies.
That said, it was not anyone who is currently in the program's fault what happened. The kids that went to Penn State to play football don't condone this nor do they have anything to do with it. Hell, the new head coach never had played or coached at Penn State prior to taking the job. Is it right to punish them? No.
I will use a couple of examples outside of sports. Let's look at the problem with priests that have have come to light in the Catholic Church. There are thousands upon thousands of priests around the world who are doing the right things and are true to their calling. Now, we know that is not always true and some cases of priests molesting kids have come to light. So it comes out, the priest is removed from the parish, defrocked, and in jail. So now, the parish has another priest assigned. Would it be ok for the diocese to punish the new priest and the members of the church for what the previous priest did? Of course not, so why is it ok at Penn State. The guilty should be punished and the innocent left alone. In my scenario Sandusky is the priest of course, Penn State the parish, and the Big Ten or the NCAA the diocese (or even higher if you'd like, I guess the NCAA would be more like the Vatican.)
Ok, scenario #2. You are the employee of a company. One of your coworkers without your knowledge does something to defraud a client. Maybe your boss knows and both the boss and your coworker are fired. Your company should pay back the client and make things right, but is it fair to YOU if you also are no longer allowed to work or can no longer do the job that you are there to do? You had nothing to do with it. Should you be punished? No. So why is it ok at Penn State.
Ok, so let's look inside sports and here locally. A softball coach at Crown Point has been accused of in proprieties with a player/student. A volleyball coach at LaPorte. A basketball coach in Hammond. Because of this, should those teams be voted out of the Duneland or in GLC? Not only no, but hell no. What those coaches did if it is true is wrong. The people involved should be punished appropriately, but the actions of a few people should not effect others. There are more athletes, coaches, etc who were NOT involved than those that were.
Justice means punishing the guilty, not persecuting the innocent.
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Post by apollo on Jul 21, 2012 12:32:41 GMT -6
In this case it was a criminal cover up that extended to the Trustees of the University losing oversight. Enough is enough, out of the Big Ten and sanctions from the NCAA. Yes there are going to be reprocussions to the non-involved, but the University allowed this to happen and there leadership covered it up, so they need to face the music. There actions deserve consequences and the victims deserve at least that much, the statue down, and the Paterno supporters need to think of the victims first and stay quiet.
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Post by tommy on Jul 21, 2012 13:01:40 GMT -6
In my opinion sickos like Jerry Sandusky need to be put down.
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Post by richsapper on Jul 22, 2012 11:36:27 GMT -6
....and the people involved should be punished, and they have been. Anyone involved in a cover up should be in jail or dead. Anyone who had anything to do with it should be cut forever from the University.
In NO OTHER segment of the population would this happen. None. Someone does something wrong and everyone else gets punished? Sounds like crap to me. Jerry Sandusky and anyone involved in a cover up are grade A jerks who deserve to burn in hell for all eternity. Those who were not involved should not be touched. That's like saying that a rank and file employee is responsible for what their boss does.
The students and student-athletes playing football now were in elementary school when this all happened. So we punish kids who had no connection to the University just because they played football?
What if rather than being a football coach, Sandusky was a physics professor? Shut down the physics department!?!?! Kick them out of the University?!?!? How about kicking them out of the Big Ten or sanctions for that? It would not happen. Why? because it does not make sense. The guilty should be punished and they have been/will be. There are enough victims already, why should we make the current staff, players, students, and the other really great people that I am sure are at the University become vitims too?
Trust me, no one wants to see Bubba take advantage of Jerry Sandusky or see him die a slow painful death more than I. I, after all, am the father of two boys. If God forbid that ever happened to them I would go after the sick bastards who did it myself, but I would not be looking for collateral damage. We punish the guilty, not the innocent.
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Post by richsapper on Jul 22, 2012 11:41:54 GMT -6
Further, this isn't even within the jurisdiction of the National Collegiate ATHLETIC Association. Their jurisdiction is sports. This involves a former coaches who have since left the program. This doesn't involve conduct on the field, does not involve competition in any way. It was horrible. It was sick. It was not sports. They overstep their bounds too often as it is. The courts are handling it. Leave it with them.
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Post by sportsworx64 on Jul 22, 2012 20:09:06 GMT -6
The athletes could be permitted to transfer without any complications, but the athletes that came in to play football after hearing about this, just plain stupid.
I say punish the university since the leadership was involved in a cover-up, enabling this to continue.
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Post by Admin75 on Jul 23, 2012 9:44:16 GMT -6
So this is what the penelty actually was: $60 million fine, 4-year bowl ban, 4 year reduction of FB scholarships from 25 to 15, vacating all football wins from 1998 - 2011 and 5 years probation What do you think now that the NCAA has handed down it's ruling?
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Post by apollo on Jul 23, 2012 10:43:21 GMT -6
Big Ten takes away there Bowl revenue as well, around 13 million. NCAA Mandated 60 million can be paid in 5 payments of 12 Million. Will still get payout split from Big Ten though. The problem as with other institutions that have faced this abuse issue- will be the Civil Law Litigation. Loss of Big Game revenue will hurt the community financially also.
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Post by indianbacker on Jul 23, 2012 12:11:21 GMT -6
This is bull spit. What are they thinking? richsapper it's right here. They are punishing the wrong people. Burn in hell Paterno! Burn in hell Sandusky! Who really gives a rats back side about any body else?
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Post by crowntownmike on Jul 23, 2012 13:46:23 GMT -6
Close down the whole school. These perverts need to go bye bye baby bye bye. They didn;t go far enough. Flush Penn State! Boycott them, get them closed down.
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Post by julio on Jul 24, 2012 11:54:17 GMT -6
I think it was a too much. It is not theose boys fault. I heard the other teams will be hurt. Let them play.
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Post by apollo on Jul 24, 2012 13:34:58 GMT -6
The collateral damage is sad but these players have a choice to stay at Penn State or leave. What choice did Sandusky's Victims and their families have? This is the right move by the NCAA and the Big Ten.
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