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Post by apollo on Jul 15, 2012 21:32:42 GMT -6
No but a top ten player all time absolutely.
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Post by crowntownmike on Jul 15, 2012 21:34:47 GMT -6
That is why he is dumb though. He thinks he is better and he is not.
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Post by jtjrmoney8 on Jul 15, 2012 22:12:40 GMT -6
Revisionist History says Kobe's Lakers handed it to the Blazers when Scottie was in Portland. Kobe is not better than Air Jordan but Pip wasn't so great in Houston now was he. That Laker team beat Portland in 7 games..they were down by 15 in the 4th quarter of game 7 and made a miraculous comeback to win the series And Pippen was past his prime by that time anyways..he had suffered all those injuries in Houston and his last couple of years in Chicago and was older..Rasheed Wallace was the dominant player on that team..the Lakers had a more difficult time with Portland than with Indiana..and lets not forget Kobe was the "Pippen" of that team
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Post by jtjrmoney8 on Jul 15, 2012 22:20:10 GMT -6
Kobe was definitely a better scorer than Pippen in his prime but I think Pippen was an all around better player..Pippen was arguably the best defensive small forward ever to play
Pippen never won the big game on his own and neither did Kobe
The year Jordan retired the first time, the Pippen lead Bulls lost to the Knicks in 7 games..Kobe could never make it out of the first round until they traded for Gasol
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Post by apollo on Jul 16, 2012 1:11:34 GMT -6
JT this just in Pippen wouldn't go in the game and Kukoc bailed him out, Kobe has 5 rings without Jordan, scored close to 70 pts in a game, and Pippen was awful in Houston and a role player at best in Portland where he got taken to school by the black mamba.
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Post by jtjrmoney8 on Jul 16, 2012 13:41:17 GMT -6
He got taken to school when he was on his last leg as a player..and those first 3 titles Kobe played second fiddle to Shaq..he was in the same role Scottie was
Kobe is definitely a better player in the clutch, I can't deny that..but when he has won championships, he had plenty of help around him..and when Shaq left, Kobe was winning scoring titles but couldn't get out of the first round..and probably the most clutch player on those early 2000's Laker teams was Robert Horry..remember he was the one who downed Webber and the Kings, not Kobe
Kobe couldn't win again til he had another dominant big man..Pippen was basically done after 98..had bad knees and his back couldn't hold up anymore..I believe he was out for either half of the 97 or 98 season because of injury
From what I heard, Pippen didn't go in the game because they drew up the play for Kukoc to take the shot and not him and he got pissed about it..yea, it was pretty low of him not to at least be in the game as a decoy but he felt slighted that somebody else would take that shot and not him
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Post by indianbacker on Jul 17, 2012 19:39:17 GMT -6
I didn't see where someone said that Bryant was better than Pippen just Jordan. Did I miss something? He is better than Pippen, not Jordan though.
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Post by Admin75 on Jul 17, 2012 21:57:53 GMT -6
To be fair, Jordan didn't ever win a championship without Scottie either. No player ever wins a championship alone. If you look at NBA championship teams throughout the years, they have had 2-3 great players and a full complement of role players. Michael and Scottie, Magic/Worthy/Abdul-Jabaar, Bird/Parrish/McHale, Olajwuan/Drexler, Bryant/O'Neal, Robinson/Duncan, Garnett/Pierce/Allen, James/Wade, Wade/O'Neal, and the list goes on. I doubt any of these guys would have won even Jordan, if they played with the supporting cast of say, the 2012 Charolette Bobcats.
No player has ever won alone. Look at the great dynasties: Lakers, Celtics, Bulls...what did they have in common? Not just great players, but in many cases, more than 1 Hall of Famer on their roster.
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Post by richsapper on Jul 19, 2012 20:42:10 GMT -6
That's true. No player ever has won a championship on his own. Of course Kove is a great player, but he is wrong here. The 92 team is better by far.
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Post by indianbacker on Jul 23, 2012 12:35:52 GMT -6
This team sucks. Only list by 6 yesterday. The 92 team would have killed this collection.
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Post by crowntownmike on Jul 23, 2012 13:44:43 GMT -6
Like I said, Kobe Beef is an idiot.
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